here's a question about the nra. the nra becomes this behemoth in individuals. i wonder how much that helps the nra themselves. if almost everybody is complicit in saying the nra wants you no know they're powerful. is there a self-fulfilling prophesy about the power of the nra? >> well, in my opinion, there is. if you actually look at the courts across this country where you have a number of lawyers that take pro bono, going into court, fighting things that are nra, going in on local issues, we're winning on that side. that never gets sent to the paper. >> right. >> so, again, you know, it's this myth out there. when the supreme court came out and said a person had a right to own a gun, i'm saying to myself, okay, that issue is off the table now. you have a right to own a gun. if you look at any literature that the nra puts out or any e-mails that they put out. what does it say? they're coming to take your guns away. so you have people that don't follow a subject as closely as we do. everybody out there, hunters, especially, even the police officers who think th